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My bolding.
Yes, and you are not able to understand this simple example. You mix theory with reality as you see it. You do not comprehend what a singular point is. From that post on Wikipedia:
"a ball placed at the crest of a hill might roll into any of several valleys depending on slight differences in initial position"
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There is nothing to stop the ball before it hits the bottom and find a more stable equilibrium.
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Hah! Depending on slight differences? Why don't you illustrate my mistakes. I know what a single point is, I also know what equilibrium is.
The ball is not in equilibrium if it rolls, is it???
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To cite Einstein. If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Mikmik, if you have a better theory, then formulate that
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Hmmm, I wonder. What am I up to?
If a theory doesn't fit, it is discarded. You want a theory? Funny you should ask.
What if I explained things in a way that we could all understand.
What do you think about that idea.
I am almost there, fuckhead. I am almost there. It has been years and years. The idea and understanding never has never changed, just the translation to words.
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. I will not take the time to read it. I have more important things to do. I have more important things to do than commenting on the rest of what you write. But I shall make this one exception, so other members and surfers are able to see how wrong you are. You are not able to understand that a more general model can encompass another model so this model becomes a special case of the more general model.
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Good point, I am sure, whatever it is! You sure put me in my place with that one!
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My bolding.
What has this to do with chaos theory? The football lying in the saddle is maximal unstable like theball placed at the crest of a hill. Theoretically it can be controlled by a computer program, so it keeps its position in the saddle. You need a chaotic process to control another chaotic process. Control of mathematical chaos is one of the more advanced subjects in chaos theory. Period.
Again my bolding. You don't hit yourself with these words? Is it time to stop this discussion?
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You already said that! You still here? You said you were leaving already, to wit
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". I will not take the time to read it. I have more important things to do. I have more important things to do than commenting on the rest of what you write. But I shall make this one exception"
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Lets see...
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That was one of the two equations explaining the Henon map. If you want the map from a more reliable source than Wikipedia, try this from Wolfram It is the same map, though with different letters for the symbols, but you should be able to understand that. There is no difference in naming an unknown magnitude x, y, z or even mikmik. My bolding of the last sentence in the quote. Is there any point in continuing?
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No. Who gives a f***. What are trying to say in the first place, again?
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It is the same map, though with different letters for the symbols, but you should be able to understand that
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Haha, of course I can. Everyone knows what a variable is.
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If you have problems with the twodimensional Henon map, start with the simpler logistic map. The solution of the logistic map for different parameter values, will also explain the difference between 1, 2, .... ,k solutions and a chaotic solution (window).
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WTF is 1,2,...k????? You mean N-1??? N??? 1,2,...k is undefined, you moron.
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Again my bolding. Is there any point in continuing?
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You still here?
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Yes, but can you then tell me why the henon map that lives on the henon attractor is not chaotic?
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Yup. Can you? Can you tell me the parameter tha obtains to produce the map? Hint, it is like a derivative.
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Before you copy and paste more fine words from the web, start by understanding the butterfly wing, a singular point,
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Wrong!!!! A point has no dimensions, only position, defined by the parameters x,y, and z. You saying a butterfly wing has no dimensions?
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sensitive dependence on initial conditions (described in the Wiki article I pointed you to) and the very simple logistic map. That may be your transition from complete confusion to a weak understanding of the concept of mathematical chaos.
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You haven't demonstrated my 'weak understanding', let alone complete confusion. Why don't you ever answer me directly?
Why??
You never do. You never answer my simple (to a mathmatician) questions. Why is that, kgun?????
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My bolding. Any point in continuing this discussion?
You degrade WPW my friend. Stop throwing out exotic words before you can add 2 + 2.
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Who cares what I do, just answer my points. You never do that.
2 + 2 is my favourite number. Do you know why?
Stop throwing out exotic sounding bullshit. I can call your shit, you never refute.
I will start to get logical if you don't behave, then we will all go to sleep!
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Stop throwing out exotic words before you can add 2 + 2.
My bolding. Please remove the words, also a.
You may continue fooling people in this thread. You have to refine and cultivate your language and study some elementary topics before I can use more time on your posts.
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Hah, which topics again?
Are you going to leave yet?
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I never graduated high school, don't forget this.
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And your proof was?
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I got only 98 credits, you want to see my fucking transcripts? Why is the heck would you care about this? I had a complete neuro psych eval done in Nov '06. You want to see that?
You want to take an online IQ test?
Yeah, let's do it, mofo. I will show you common sense trumps bullshit every time.
Not only did I not graduate high school, I have brain damage. It is in my ct scan.
I will pick you apart in my next post, okay?