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Originally Posted by Webnauts
If you have doubts, add irrelevant or non-unique meta tags on your site, and come back and tell us what happen.
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Check the source for all the pages of
CASS-Hacks - PHP, Javacript and CSS except the example pages which don't have enough content I would like for the bots to create snippets from. The pages have had their description meta-tag removed.
But, not a single page has changed one bit with regard to being supplemental or somehow getting "filtered".
You said "non-unique" and if there are no descriptions than they would be non-unique. If you say that is not good enough and that they must exist and be irrelevant and-or non-unique then the answer would be to just remove them period.
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Originally Posted by crankydave
Can't put it any simpler cass-hacks...
The meta description has no bearing on ranking within the search engine results. I said it, the blog said it.
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No argument there so can we stick to where there is disagreement?
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Originally Posted by crankydave
The meta description can have a bearing on whether or not a page is placed in the SI. I said it, the blog did not say anything about it at all.
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And I said that if a page changes from being in the Main index to the Supplemental index then obviously its ranking changes. It ranks and then it doesn't rank. Most people would consider that a change, no?
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Originally Posted by crankydave
Duplicate meta descriptions can cause a page to be placed in the SI. Being in the SI can cause a page not to show up in the search engine results.
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You can say it over and over again but repetition does not = fact. Besides, you just said that being Supplemental would cause a page to not show up in the SERPs, which would be a change in ranking from it showing up in the SERPs and since the description meta-tag does not effect ranking, which putting a page in the Supplemental surely would, the description meta-tag does not have any effect on a page being Supplemental or not.
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Originally Posted by crankydave
I'll say it again... It is being in the SI that can cause a page not to show up, NOT the reason the page in the SI.
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Then what does that have to do with the description meta-tag?
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Originally Posted by crankydave
Did the blog post say that a duplicate meta description won't cause a page to be placed in the SI? No.
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Read my reply above. If the cause of a page being in the Supplemental and not the Main index then that surely would effect a page's rankings and since the description meta-tag does not effect ranking, then it also can not effect a page being in the Supplemental index or not.
You may think that a page moving to the Supplemental index does not effect its previous ranking but I think most people would disagree. First it is there, then it isn't. That would seem a significant change, no?
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Originally Posted by crankydave
But because a page being in the SI can affect where it shows up in the search engine results, or if it does at all, you automatically leaped to the conclusion that because a meta description cannot affect the rankings within the search engine results it cannot cause a page to be placed in the SI either.
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It is a fairly logical conclusion. If no change in ranking means that the ranking can change, as it obviously would if a page goes Supplemental than one of those is wrong. Which one?
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Originally Posted by crankydave
As far as the title element goes, duplicating the title element within a site can cause otherwise completely unique pages to end up in the SI. You are of course welcome to test this and the meta descriptions yourself using a methodology you are comfortable with.
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I don't remember saying anything about the title tag. Can we stick to where we disagree and not bring in all sorts of other topics that would likely just cloud the issue?
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Originally Posted by crankydave
Additionally, you might try using a search engine to find additional thoughts and information...
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There are a lot of results. Was there one or more in particular that prove your point?
kgun - Thanks for the references but what I was asking for was what "filtering" crankydave was talking about, not what is "filtering" is in general.
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Originally Posted by Webnauts
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I read it on the interweb so it must be so. With no supporting evidence or even a logical explanation, the article is less then worthless because people are likely to parrot it must be true.
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Originally Posted by Webnauts
And if the problem is not low PageRank what then?
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With reference to the OP's site, the problem is low PageRank. The content of the OP's site that is in the Supplemental index that the OP was concerned about is unique and easily of sufficient quality that Google would be very unlikely to judge it not worth indexing.