That makes a lot of sense, I hadn't thought of forcing things up there by specifying a distance ... duh, sometimes you think too much about a problem and miss the obvious

as far as the border around the weather ... I messed that up right before I left work ... I was using border="0" in my html but wanted it to be compliant

I tried
img [src|="wunderground"] {
border: 0;
}
I think that was it, the problem is that I want the pics at the bottom of the page to have borders but not the weather link

thank you again, I was going nuts ... new to css and compliant design and thought this small project was a good place to start

btw I added the overflow hidden already but no luck