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"No warning? LOL. Read your own posts Ken. "
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As you know, I agree there were many warnings about certain issues...
But in any forum I visit no one anywhere can figure out what GOOGLE is doing in this update. Dramatic SERP falls as many have experienced, myself included with
www.huntandhunt.com , just don't hold water.
That is the only Site we saw fall that dramatically.
The only difference from the others that I manage is:
1) Very few OBLs - The owner doesn't want to link to Sites outside his when not necessary - we slid just a few in.
2) Not listed in DMOZ - Most of the others are.. Been trying for over 2 years now.. Haven't resubmitted in over a year - no violations there
They are reciprocally linked to all my other clients too. They all express "Sitewide" IBLs to my Site and haven't taken a hit. I return the favor on a mature "Relevant" PR4 portfolio page - Not causing a problem anywhere else.
There is just no soluble deductive reasoning for the hit here... I am empathetic for the other Sites, business owners and webmasters suffering the same lack of communication from GOOGLE here.
You bet I am!
In a Marketing World - That kind of non-communication is just pretty much inexcusable!
We can speculate on entrenched and "relevancy" Factors for both IBLs and OBLS or divert to imaginary previous updates, but none of them hold the only key... The site I mentioned above has been in the top few for "laser machining Houston" and "perforating guns" since launch, over 2 years ago - never even a "sandbox" issue.....but they are gone now!!!
This same phenomenon has affected a large percentage of Sites this time in their prime marketing period just before Christmas), (not that it matters to my sites) and there seems to be absolutely no clue anywhere, why!
That - IS VERY POOR MARKETING!, by GOOGLE, at best!
I have tolerated their "irrelevant" alg BS since inception on this Site:
www.dpwater.com for almost 2 years now too.
They just don't like the long pages and sub-menus at the top of several of the pages. I guess they think it is spam, but MSN and YAHOO lap it up like honey and beat them to the pulp, relentlessly.
But, visitors save it as a favorite all day long and it was recently exemplified at a major Independent Texas Water Supplier Site at an extremely important Regional Industry Convention.... so who really gives a rat's ass if GOOGLE sees it as a significant site?..
I surely don't!
Ken