A site that I've recently completed for a client - ToffeeDelight.com - is still not showing up in Google - I've optimized for keywords and relevancy - and watch my logs for crawlers - in putting in Toffee Delight in Yahoo - it comes up second - which I consider to be a relevant search - Toffee Delight would not be a common search term - Google of course, "knows" it's there toffeedelight - results in www.toffeedelight.com - no information - My client was upset because after 1 month google hadn't indexed it -- I didn't even see where the Yahoo robot visited the site - but Inktomi Slurp, AskJeeves, and multiple "unknowns" have been there - that makes Yahoo better in my book - I hate scrolling through all the "affiliate links" and pages "optimized" with irrelevant keywords - Yahoo used to be my engine and I'm going back - bet I'll find what i want much faster :) (I DID submit to Google as well)